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European Article On Ultralight Spinning

by Rick

Since links are not allowed, do a google search for “The Origins of Ultra-Light Spinning”, by Hans van der Pauw. Nice to find write ups on ultralight spin fishing that mentions U.S. finesse angling. Claims threadlining originated in France. Hmmmmm...

Anyways, something else to add to my ‘small finesse fishing library.

Rick

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Jul 14, 2020
URL of the article written in English
by: Chris Stewart

I am going to bend the rules here (my sandbox, my rules) and post the URL of an article written in English. I fear many readers will find only the original Dutch version and struggle with a Google translation. As can be imagined. Mr. van der Pauw understands English much better than Google understands Dutch.

http://jlvanderpauw.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Waterlog-UL-SPINNING.pdf

Jul 14, 2020
308s
by: Les Albjerg

Thanks for sharing! Thanks for bending the rules Chris. It is nice to see some Garcia-Mitchel 308s, the right hand version of my 309 reels in the article. I also see the "Tennessee" handles.

I wonder what Hans van der Pauw would think of the Daiwa Iprimi?

Jul 14, 2020
thanks guys
by: bill piatek

Thanks to both Rick and Chris for this article. The Sea Trout part brought back memories of my Lake Michigan fishing for trout and salmon. I used spoons, a light action rod and Ande 4# mono. Like the Japanese mono it was guaranteed to break at 4# or under. For the spring Coho salmon I used 2# Had Chinook salmon up to 25# or so on the 4# test.

Jul 15, 2020
The Modern Gear is Amazing!
by: Les Albjerg

I finally had a chance to give this article a careful read. I'm guessing that light line fishing has a history in Japan too. This morning I took out my two Ajing rods. They have a much different profile than my other ultra-light rods. The Tenyru Lunakia LK632S-LMS is rated for 3 pound max on the line and 3 gram max on the lure. Today I was casting the 0.9 gram spoons without any trouble. It is a longer rod at 6 feet 3 inches. The way the Ajing rods are built, you can feel everything! You can't do the St. Claire-Robinson casts, but it can get the lures out there! That said, the lessons learned from St. Claire and Robinson have made me a better overall caster.

I've fished all of my ultra-light rods over the last 3 days. There is a clear winner. It is the Shimano Ajing Soare CI4+ S408UL-S. It has Shimano's high tech graphite Spiral X and High Power X. As much as I love the beauty of the Tenyru rods, this short 4 foot 8 inch rod is just amazing. It is rated for 0.4 gram lures up to 8 grams. It is also rated for only 1-3 pound test line. I have cast 0.5 Rodio-craft spoons up to a 7 gram mouse. The feel in casting and fighting fish with this rod is just amazing. It is short enough to fish in the creeks I normally fish. It is long enough to provide the leverage for long casts and fighting larger fish.

But alas, this rod didn't sell well so Chris no longer has them in stock. I'm so thankful that I bought one. Maybe if you ask, Chris will order one for you. I doubt you will be disappointed. If you said I could only have one spinning rod, the Shimano Ajing Soare CI4+ S408UL-S Ajing rod would be it. I couldn't find Chris' wonderful write-up on this rod on the website anymore. As Rick W said over on another thread, " I'm enjoying some of the current JDM gear he has to offer. Some folks like "Old School". Been there, done that. I like "State of the Art"." This Shimano is State of the Art!

Jul 15, 2020
Shimano Ajing Soare CI4+ S408UL-S
by: Chris Stewart

I would be happy to order one for anyone who wants one.

Jul 15, 2020
UL and Extra UL
by: Kelly Peterson southern Illinois

I too, have one of the Shimano Ajing Soare CI4+ S408UL-S Ajing rods purchased from Chris several years ago. It was my first venture into JDM rods and must say at first I thought it too stiff for my needs. But at the urging of Chris I seriously gave it a try for my Extra UL uses and it worked just fine.

You see, I rarely use a jig larger than 1/32 ounce,(most of the time its 1/64ounce-I dearly love the .7g Cultiva JH-85 jigs which is tipped with some sort of plastic or piece of worm, etc. I use 2# Berkeley line which is really 4#(.006 dia) This is unheard of in most circles of UL spinning these days. Then I tried braid in my ever lasting quest to fish the smallest diameter line with the smallest lures and still be able to cast them to where I wanted. The smallest braid I could find was 1.5# ice braid, which was .0025 diameter.

What I found with these very wispy pieces of thread was they were almost impossible to see even with cheaters and magnifying glass that I found tying of knots most difficult. And this braid was so frail that it commonly wrapped around my rod tip from just the slightest breeze during a cast.

During this process I found Piscatorial Pursuits by Joe Robinson and one of the TFO signature Joe Robinson rods and went back to US 2# mono. My fishing changed and I caught more fish than ever previously. Now I'm going to start using the JDM lines that Chris sells in hopes of having more fun and catching more fish.

So then the quest for other shorter more limber rods with short handles started since most of my fishing for trout needed a shorter rod that was more limber so that cast could be made like the underhand flip cast of Frank Nale's while standing in the middle of a small stream(10-15 feet wide) with constant overhead/bankside cover.

I then bought the 3 foot 9 inch Ten Rayz rod from Chris and was pleasantly surprise with its results. Now that we have moved over 650 miles straight south(too brutal winters for septuagenarians) there are are no trout but lots of panfish, bass and channel catfish and virtually all of my fishing will be done from boat or kayak so rod length is no more an issue.

Having recently purchased the 5' 6" Daiwa Iprimi with its very short split grip(only 8.5" length with no cork) I seem to love Extra Ultralight fishing even more. The Fun Factor is there even more than ever(I release most all fish so rarely do I use live bait these days. Can't imagine any more enjoyable way to fish.

Regarding reels I own them all from old Mitchell 308 & 310Ul, to Shakespeare 2200, to Daiwa 500C, to modern Shimano Soare and Pflueger President and Supreme XT. They run the gambit from $20 to $250. While I like the smoothness of the modern reels, I detest the manual closing of the bail(always seems to allow more slack line to come off reel before I get it closed). Yeah I know that Ernie St Claire and Joe Robinson advocate using index finger to stop line I am finding that difficult because of my very small hands/shorts fingers.

So my next goal is figure out which type of reel I want to use and standardize that choice on all my rods. Either go with the Mitchell 310UL or the Pflueger Supreme or President XT. I'm really torn as I like qualities from both but I don't want to think about how I need to close the bail depending upon the reel I'm using. Just want them all to be the same. Whenever I make that choice there are going to be a lot of the other style reels for sale.

Finally and thanks for bearing with my long windedness, I just can't seem to get the handle on those special types of casts that Ernie and Joe talk about. But the rods have allowed me to use very short movement, snap casts done sidearm that I couldn't accomplish previously from stiffer rods. The "wave" flex of these limber rods has sure helped accomplish that.

Jul 16, 2020
3lb
by: Rolfe Deppe

Thanks Chris, really interesting piece. Despite an early interest in UL, I seem to have graduated to using lightish gear and cheated with braid a little. Was catching small brownies in a lake on the Dartmoor yesterday, using a 5'3" Rayz Spectra and a new indulgence (Exist C2000-H) with 3lb FC. I was a bit twitchy, the stuff is so fragile and there were lots of rocks around. Incidentally FC is great for spinning...

Jul 18, 2020
The Reel Deal
by: Les Albjerg

Rolfe - I took the plunge and got a premium Daiwa reel, the Gekkabijin EX 1000. Chris happened to have one. The Gekkabijin was designed to fish for Aji and Mebaru. It is specifically tailored to fish lines as light as one pound! I thought my Shimano Cardiff CI4+ 1000SHG was smooth. The Daiwa takes it to another level. The price is at another level too! That said, the reels on this site would have had the European's drooling. I do have two reels from France. I have a Garcia-Mitchell 309 and 409. The 409 is a higher gear ratio. They have adequate drags, but nothing like the modern JDM reels. Yes these old reels work, but they are high maintenance. They don't have sealed bearings, and have to be taken apart, cleaned, and re-lubed at least once a year. I can't believe how spoiled one gets with the modern reels. Design has improved as well as function.

Today I fished 0.9 to 1.6 gram spoons with the Daiwa Iprimi 60XUL-4 and 2 pound Sunline Troutist Darkness. The Darkness is hard to see. The fish have a hard time seeing it too! I was hoping for a crappie today, but totally enjoyed the "many" sunfish today. Chris has a good article about fishing for panfish with spoons. What a blast! Most of my panfishing has been with worms. I never knew they would slam a spoon as hard as they do! I'm really having almost too much fun with these lighter spoons. Oh, they also work very well on trout too. The Forest Marshall Tournament 0.9 gram No. 11 "matches the hatch", feed pellets!, on my local "area" pond. It is almost all planted rainbow trout!

Kelly - Nice to hear you are enjoying your new place and equipment. Don't skimp on the reel! We really are living in the best of times as far as gear goes.

My next adventure is to try to master the 0.5 gram lures on this awesome equipment. I have three rods that are rated for this light of rod. The 10x tippet is tempting me to give it a try as well!

Jul 19, 2020
0.5 Rodio BF Blind Flanker
by: Les Albjerg

Yee-haw! The Daiwa Iprimi 60XUL-4 can really handle the 0.5 gram spoons. I was able to get an honest accurate 15 yard casts today (measured not guessed). Accuracy went a bit out the window when the breeze picked up. I was fishing one of my close ponds that has a good population of sunfish. The best method of catching fish for me this morning was to cast it out, let it flutter down and set the hook on the take. Attempting even a slow retrieve brought the spoon up to the surface and out of the fish zone. The rod can handle it, but the lure is at the mercy of the wind, and I switched to the 1.2 gram Daiwa Presso Eve. Yes it is light, but over twice the weight of the Rodio. Fish nailed it on the flutter down, and on the retrieve. A much better lure for the lake.

I do see a place for the Rodio fishing in creeks. It ought to work very well upstream fishing riffles. It should work well in pocket water. Next up is testing the 0.5 gram spoon with the Shimano Soare CI4+ Ajing S408UL-S in a couple of the creeks I like to fish.

Jul 29, 2020
Modern vs Old
by: Kelly Peterson southern Illinois

Les, yes the modern reels are very, very smooth and quiet compare to my old Mitchells, and require less maintenance too, but the manual closing of the bail does take a lot of time to get used to and takes time when the lure hits the water till one turns the handle. I loose may fish that hit the lure immediately when it hits the water.

I know Ernie St Claire wrote about this as did Joe Robinson by using their index finger trapping the line against the spool. But I haven't had much success with this and it still takes time to manually close the bail. Or am I doing something wrong?

I would love to get rid of all my old reels and stay with the modern but I lose way too many fish in the time it takes to manually close the modern reels bail.

Jul 29, 2020
Closing the bail
by: Christopher Stewart

Kelly, none of the modern reels I have used require closing the bail manually. Turning the handle will close the bail, just like on the older reels. Some require more force to flip the bail than I remember needing on the old reels, but it does work.

One possible solution is to move your hand to the bail before the lure hits the water, so you can flip the bail and have your hand on the reel handle the instant the lure hits.

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